{"id":14428,"date":"2019-03-12T17:24:01","date_gmt":"2019-03-12T17:24:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/rsoftsolution.com\/blog\/instagram-founders-say-losing-autonomy-at-facebook-meant-winning-2.html"},"modified":"2019-03-12T17:24:01","modified_gmt":"2019-03-12T17:24:01","slug":"instagram-founders-say-losing-autonomy-at-facebook-meant-winning-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rbsitsoftwaresolution.in\/blog\/instagram-founders-say-losing-autonomy-at-facebook-meant-winning-2.html","title":{"rendered":"Instagram founders say losing autonomy at Facebook meant \u2018winning\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"

Rather than be sore about losing independence within Facebook, <\/a> Instagram <\/a> co-founder Kevin Systrom told me it was an inevitable sign of his app\u2019s triumph. Today at South By South West<\/a>, Systrom and fellow co-founder Mike Krieger sat down for their first onstage talk together since leaving Facebook in September<\/a>. They discussed their superhero origin stories, authenticity on social media, looming regulation for big tech and how they\u2019re exploring what they\u2019ll do next.<\/p>\n

Krieger grew up hitting \u201cview source\u201d on websites while Systrom hacked on AOL booter programs that would kick people off instant messenger, teaching both how code could impact real people. As Instagram grew popular, Krieger described the \u201cincredi-bad\u201d feeling of fighting server fires and trying to keep the widely loved app online even if that meant programming in the middle of a sushi restaurant or camping retreat. He once even revived Instagram while drunk in the middle of the night, and woke up with no memory of the feat, confused about who\u2019d fixed the problem. The former Instagram CTO implored founders not to fall into the \u201crecruiting death spiral\u201d where you\u2019re too busy to recruit, which makes you busier, which makes you too busy to recruit\u2026<\/p>\n

But thankfully, the founders were also willing to dig into some tougher topics than their scrappy startup days.<\/p>\n

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Kevin Systrom and Mike Krieger (from left) drive to Palo Alto to raise their Series A, circa January 2011<\/p>\n

Independence vs. importance<\/h2>\n

\u201cIn some ways, there being less autonomy is a function of Instagram winning. If Instagram had just been this niche photo app for photographers, we probably would be working on that app for 20 years. Instead what happened was it got better and better and better, and it improved, and it got to a size where it was meaningfully important to this company,\u201d Systrom explained. \u201cIf this thing gets to that scale that we want it to get to which is why we\u2019re doing this deal, the autonomy will eventually not be there as much because it\u2019s so important. So in some ways it\u2019s just an unavoidable thing if you\u2019re successful. So you can choose, do you want to be unsuccessful and small and have all the autonomy in the world, or no?\u201d<\/p>\n

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AUSTIN, TX \u2013 MARCH 11: Mike Krieger speaks onstage at Interactive Keynote: Instagram Founders Kevin Systrom Mike Krieger <\/a> with Josh Constine during the 2019 SXSW Conference and Festivals at Austin Convention Center on March 11, 2019 in Austin, Texas. (Photo by Chris Saucedo\/Getty Images for SXSW)<\/p>\n

Krieger followed up that \u201cI think if you study . . . all the current companies, the ones that succeed internally eventually have become so important to the acquiring company that it\u2019s almost irresponsible to not be thinking about what are the right models for integration. The advice I generally give is, \u2018are you okay with that if you succeed?\u2019 And if you\u2019re not then you shouldn\u2019t do the deal.\u201d If the loss of autonomy can\u2019t be avoided, they suggest selling to a rocket ship that will invest in and care for your baby rather than shift priorities.<\/p>\n

Asked if seeing his net worth ever feels surreal, Systrom said\u00a0 money doesn\u2019t make you happy and \u201cI don\u2019t really wake up in the morning and look at my bank account.\u201d I noted that\u2019s the convenient privilege of having a big one.<\/p>\n

The pair threw cold water on the idea that being forced to earn more money drove them out of the company. \u201cI remember having this series of conversations with Mark and other folks at Facebook and they\u2019re like \u2018You guys just joined, do not worry about monetization, we\u2019ll figure this out down the road.\u2019 And it actually came a lot more from us saying \u20181. It\u2019s important for us to be contributing to the overall Fb Inc . . . and 2. Each person who joins before you have ads is a person you\u2019re going to have to introduce ads to.\u2019 \u201d Systrom added that \u201cto be clear, we were the ones pushing monetization, not the other way around, because we believed Instagram has to make money somehow. It costs a lot to run . . . We pushed hard on it so that we would be a successful unit within Facebook and I think we got to that point, which is really good.\u201d<\/p>\n

But from 2015 to 2016, Instagram\u2019s remaining independence fueled a reinvention of its app with non-square photos, the shift to the algorithm and the launch of Stories. On having to challenge the fundamental assumptions of a business, \u201cYou\u2019ve got maybe a couple years of relevance when you build a product. If you don\u2019t reinvent it every quarter or every year, then you fall out of relevance and you go away.\u201d<\/p>\n

That last launch was inspired by wanting to offer prismatic identity where people could share non-highlights that wouldn\u2019t haunt them. But also, Systrom admits that \u201cHonestly a big reason why was that for a long time, people\u2019s profiles were filled with Snapchat links and it was clear that people were trying to bridge the two products. So by bringing the two products [Feed and Stories] into one place, we gave consumers what they wanted.\u201d Though when I asked anyone in the crowd who was still mad about the algorithm to hiss, SXSW turned into a snake pit.<\/p>\n

Regulating\u00a0big tech<\/h2>\n

With Systrom and Krieger gone, Facebook is moving forward with plans to more tightly integrate Instagram with Facebook and WhatsApp. That includes unifying their messaging system, which some say is designed to make Facebook\u2019s apps harder to break up with anti-trust regulation. What does Systrom think of the integration? \u201cThe more people that are available to talk with, the more useful the platform becomes. And I buy that thesis . . . Whether or not they will in fact want to talk to people on different platforms, I can\u2019t tell the future, so I don\u2019t know,\u201d Systrom said.<\/p>\n

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AUSTIN, TX \u2013 MARCH 11: Josh Constine, Mike Krieger and Kevin Systrom speak onstage at Interactive Keynote: Instagram Founders Kevin Systrom <\/a> Mike Krieger with Josh Constine during the 2019 SXSW Conference and Festivals at Austin Convention Center on March 11, 2019 in Austin, Texas. (Photo by Chris Saucedo\/Getty Images for SXSW)<\/p>\n

Krieger recommended Facebook try to prove users want that cross-app messaging before embarking on a giant engineering challenge of merging their backends. When I asked if Systrom ever had a burning desire to Instagram Direct message a WhatsApp user, he admitted \u201cPersonally, no.\u201d But in a show of respect and solid media training, he told his former employer \u201cBravo for making a big bet and going for it.\u201d<\/p>\n

Then it was time for the hardest hitting question: their thoughts on presidential candidate Senator Elizabeth Warren\u2019s <\/a> proposal to regulate big tech and roll back Facebook\u2019s acquisition of Instagram. \u201cDo we get our job back?\u201d Systrom joked, trying to diffuse the tension. Krieger urged more consideration of downstream externalities, and specificity on what problem a break-up fixes. He wants differentiation between regulating Facebook\u2019s acquisitions, Amazon white-labeling and selling products and Apple\u2019s right to run the only iOS App Store.<\/p>\n

Acquisition vs. competition<\/h2>\n

\u201cWe live in a time where I think the anger against big tech has increased ten-fold \u2014 whether that\u2019s because the property prices in your neighborhood have gone up, whether it\u2019s because you don\u2019t like Russian meddling in elections \u2014 there are a long list of reasons people are angry at tech right now and some of them I think are well-founded,\u201d Systrom confirmed. \u201cThat doesn\u2019t mean that the answer is to break all the companies up. Breaking companies up is a very specific prescription for a very specific problem. If you want to fix economic issues there are ways of doing that. If you want to fix Russian meddling there are ways of doing that. Breaking up a company doesn\u2019t fix those problems. That doesn\u2019t mean that companies shouldn\u2019t be broken up if they get too big and they\u2019re monopolies and they cause problems, but being big in and of itself is not a crime.\u201d<\/p>\n

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Interactive Keynote: Instagram Founders Kevin Systrom Mike Krieger with Josh Constine during the 2019 SXSW Conference and Festivals at Austin Convention Center on March 11, 2019 in Austin, Texas<\/p>\n

Systrom then took a jab at Warren\u2019s tech literacy, saying \u201cpart of what\u2019s surprised me is that generally the policy is all tech should be broken up, and that feels to me again not nuanced enough and it shows me that the understanding of the problem isn\u2019t there. I think it\u2019s going to take a more nuanced proposal, but my fear is that something like a proposal to break up all tech is playing on everyone\u2019s current feeling of anti-tech rather than doing what I think politicians should do which is address real problems and give real solutions.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

The two founders then gave some pretty spurious logic for why Instagram\u2019s acquisition helped consumers. \u201cAs someone who ran the company for how many years inside of Facebook? Six? There was a lot of competition internally even and I think better ideas came out because of it. We grew both companies not just one company. It\u2019s really hard question. What consumer was damaged because it grew to the size that it did? I think that\u2019s a strong argument that in fact the acquisition worked out for consumers.\u201d That ignores the fact that if Instagram and Facebook were rivals, they\u2019d have to compete on privacy and treating their users well. Even if they inspired each other to build more engaging products, that doesn\u2019t address where harm to consumers has been done.<\/p>\n

Krieger suggested that the acquisition actually spurred competition by making Instagram a role model. \u201cThere was a gold rush of companies being like \u2018I\u2019m going to be the Instagram of X . . . the Instagram of Audio, the Instagram of video, the Instagram of dog photos.\u2019 You saw people start new companies and try to build them out in order to try to achieve what we\u2019ve gotten to.\u201d Yet no startup besides Snapchat, which had already launched, has actually grown to rival Instagram. And seeing Instagram hold its own against the Facebook empire would have likely inspired many more startups \u2014 some of which can\u2019t find funding since investors doubt their odds against a combined Facebook and Instagram<\/p>\n

As for what\u2019s next for the college buddies, \u201cwe\u2019re giving ourselves the time to get curious about things again,\u201d Krieger says. They\u2019re still exploring so there was no big reveal about their follow-up venture. But Systrom says they built Instagram by finding the mega-trend of cameras on phones and asking what they\u2019d want to use, \u201cand the question is, what\u2019s the next wave?\u201d<\/p>\n

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